Marvin Shilmer

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  Do Witness children die from not taking blood?

  by juandefiero in

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  yes - awake!

  1994 may 22 p.2 youths who put god first (3-15).

  "in former times thousands of youths died for putting god first.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Symbols of death!

  
  
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  Blood: Article about director of Atlanta's Emory Center for Ethics facing a contorversial decision involving a 17-year-old JW

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  http://www.atlantamagazine.com/health/emorys-center-for-ethics-faces-some-of-the-most-complex-and-controversial-issues-in-modern-medicine/.

  emory center for ethics director faces some of the most complex—and controversial—issues in medicine paul root wolpe and his team think through the tough questions brought about by medical advances .

  january 28, 2016 tony rehagen .

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  It's not just teenagers doing this among JWs. Adult JWs do the same thing.
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  Blood Components Hypocrsy

  by pandorasbox1914 in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  we all know the watchtower's stance on blood:.

  blood components, plasma, red cells, white cells and platelets-no.

  fractions-your bible trained conscience.

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  Marvin are there any donation services that accept blood donations under those conditions? Has it ever actually been done? If not then I don't take the Watchtower's comment on this seriously. It's theoretically allowing for donation while in practice insisting on conditions which rule it out. The hypocrisy still stands.

  I believe there are plasma donation centers that specialize in plasma protein therapies where virtually all of the donated plasma is separated into components JWs can accept transfusion of, which means JWs could theoretically donate to these centers given assurance that their donation would be used for this purpose. I say theoretically because Watchtower has never advertised this piece of its blood doctrine to the rank-and-file membership. When I ask Watchtower trained HLC members about this they look at me like I have a third eye. So Watchtower has, to my knowledge, obviously not trained even its HLC membership on this.

  When JWs accept blood fractions then the blood products they are accepting have not been donated by their fellow believers.

  No doubt about that!

  You won't get any dispute from me about Watchtower's hypocrisy, and in particular when it comes to its blood doctrine. Watchtower's leadership are all pigs for leaving this policy in place. None of these leaders believe the doctrine and are absolutely unwilling to defend its critical details in full public view.
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  Blood Components Hypocrsy

  by pandorasbox1914 in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  we all know the watchtower's stance on blood:.

  blood components, plasma, red cells, white cells and platelets-no.

  fractions-your bible trained conscience.

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  Regarding "plasma"

  As a rendering from whole blood this product is wholly unknown in the natural world. What I mean is that in the natural world there is no instance where this product would be found. Rendering "plasma" from blood is a wholly man made affair. It takes a carefully choreographed chemical and mechanical manipulation of whole blood to get this product. There is nothing in nature that does this.

  When it comes to Watchtower's policy on "plasma" there is another thing that really shows how utterly ridiculous it is. There are two products you can render from "plasma" and those two products are known as cryosupernatant and cryoprecipitate. The supernatant is about 99% of the original "plasma" and the precipitate is the remaining 1% of the original "plasma". Watchtower leaves it to JWs to accept as much of either or both of these two products as they want, and JWs lap this stuff up too!. (See: Over 96% Accept 99%!

  That means a JW can literally accept 100% of "plasma" so long as it is rendered into cryosupernatant and cryoprecipitate prior to transfusion.
  

  There is nothing rational about Watchtower's blood doctrine. Nothing.
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  Blood Components Hypocrsy

  by pandorasbox1914 in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  we all know the watchtower's stance on blood:.

  blood components, plasma, red cells, white cells and platelets-no.

  fractions-your bible trained conscience.

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  I still can't understand how JWs can accept blood components when JWs don't donate blood. I've never heard a JW even attempt to answer the hypocrisy, selfishness and cynicism involved in that. Not just a bad explanation, I've never seen any sort of explanation whatever. Has anyone ever seen this defended?

  Watchtower policy regarding donation of blood is that a JW can donate blood for purposes of transfusion medicine so long as what is donated is dissected into "acceptable" parts before those parts are transfused, and anything remaining from the original donation is disposed of. (See: JWs can donate blood...)

  Unfortunately Watchtower does not advertise this particular aspect of its doctrinal position. That's understandable given it only adds to the doctrine's already legendary (not to mention hopeless) ridiculousness.
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  What Are Your "Senior Moments" Like?

  by compound complex in

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  2. friends

  dear friends:.

  i imagine by now we old timers have adjusted to the fact that we are getting older and, one day, will make our exit.

  are your "senior moments" ever a cause for worry to you?

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  I can't remember.
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  Walking a thin line - Resigning Elder

  by Sanchy in

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  2. friends

  warning of a long boring post ahead.

  i feel like i need to vent my story out, as i feel quite helpless at the moment.. i'm 31 year old, married, father of toddler with another one on the way, due later this month.

  i've been serving as elder for about 4 years now in a south florida congregation.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  I know exactly how you feel. My best wishes are for you and your family. The best piece of advice I could probably offer is to take things slow.
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  FEB 2016 broadcast

  by Grey Goose in

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  it might be the craziest one yet..

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Recently we've had a member share experiences at Bethel who pointed out how position means so much inside Watchtower world. This video thing shows that in living color. When the two men walk onto the set carrying bread loaves the guy with the mic MAKES A POINT of sharing these men who may look like waiters are not actually Bethel waiters (as if anyone CARED!!!) but are, actually, hold on for it... secretaries for GB helpers. Oh my! Thanks the lord!!! I was hoping those two men were not Bethel waiters! I can now breath a sigh of relief for those two! Thanks God they are NOT Bethel WAITERS!

  Now why on earth was pointing out that necessary at all? Because at Bethel position is everything.
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  FEB 2016 broadcast

  by Grey Goose in

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  it might be the craziest one yet..

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  How on earth is anyone supposed to unsee or unhear that boondoggle? I think I've been crippled for life!
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  My wife made a very wordly comment the other night

  by Clambake in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my wife who is currently on maternity leave made a comment about luck she was to leave in canada because we get 52 weeks maternity at basically 40,000 per year.

  she is not originally from canada coming from a country with basically no maternity leave.

  i told her to make sure she doesn't say anything like that at kh.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Say what? You offered a piece of detailed advice to your wife and got silence in return? That is the oddest thing I've ever heard!